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Autolupus
01-04-2006, 20:56
I've noticed that a limiting factor in a lot of peoples powerballing escapades is grip strength. _Savag3_ has already said about baoding balls.
There are obviously lots more.
Good grip ideas for this thread welcomed.I've got more than a few, but would like other peoples input!;)
For any one really interested in grip strength, may i recommend the books of John Brookfield, a gripmaster supremo!
I use a right handed golf glove for high speed runs. I first started using it because I got a blister on my pinky after few days of using my new powerball. Then I noticed that it helped my grip because without it my hands were a little sweaty after 15 minutes of use.
Al Napzok
I own two books by John Brookfield. He's excellent. He has some great low cost ideas on how to make your own grip strength products with stuff you either already have or can be bought at a hardware store for a couple bucks.
I work on my grip strength when I'm at the gym. Sometimes I do a farmers walk with a pair of 80lb dumbells where I just carry them around for as long as my grip can hold them. I also pinch grip 25lb dumbells by holding them by the ends (they're hexagonal) and carry them as long as I can. I do these grip strength exercises at the end of my workout following wrist curls, reverse wrist curls and levers.
_Savag3_
15-04-2006, 00:23
Try swapping the grip band from the NSD powerball to a originall powerball, i noticed a leap, ive just hit 12300 through doing that, wondering if it would help anyone else ?
_Savag3_
16-04-2006, 01:13
Im out the running at the min, right wrist joint is killing me on ma right hand, and swapping the wrist bands helped for some reason :cool:
Instead of putting a ballon onto the powerball, put a rubber glove on ? just the same thing and wash your hands with the cheap soap from supermarkets, the one that dries ur skin really badly, that helps me grip
If you are serious into inproving the crushing and pinching force without losing dexterity. then you ought to try the tip you are given here. It will give u a good pump and it will challenge your lower arm stamina. It's a John Brookfield execise tip, and its a very good one if you ask me :D
http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/ironmind/GripTips/GripTip38.html
:)
PS Edited the link since the old one was pointing to a dead location.
Adrena1in
22-04-2006, 07:55
It will give u a good pump and it will challenge your lower arm stamina.
I can imagine...I just tried it with a dry tea-towel, to get an idea of the motion, and even that made my lower-arm muscles strain...the sort of feeling I used to get with the Powerball.
Gorill0r
22-04-2006, 22:32
I'm a bodybuilder/powerlifter and since i've started using the powerball my grip greatly improved.
This is my current grip workout routine:
- Wrist Curls - Till faillure 4x
- Reverse Wrist Curls - Till faillure 4x
- Farmer Walks - Till Faillure 4x
- Static Holds - Till Faillure 4x
- Powerball workout - 30 minutes
I've also started training with the Ivanko Super Gripper (http://www.ivanko.com/products/html_stuff/gripper_info.html) which I highly recommend for improving your grip!
http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_img/ivanko_gripper.jpg
Don't overtrain, train your grip about 2 times a week and i'm sure you will get results fast.
Also make sure you eat enough proteïn and carbs.
Hope this will help.
Autolupus
23-04-2006, 02:22
If you want a gripper go Captains of Crush!
Gorill0r what No. can you close?
Mine's 25+ on No.1(140lb), 6 reps supported No.2(195lb):)
If you want a gripper go Captains of Crush!
Gorill0r what No. can you close?
Mine's 25+ on No.1(140lb), 6 reps supported No.2(195lb):)
I inconsistently close the CoC #3 ( I fail more often than succeed right now ).I am working on closing it any given day. The tool gorill0r mentioned, invanko super gripper is a good tool to use to. That one can help you to overlap the resistance gaps between the different CoC (captains of crush) levels. Unfortunately I dont own my own Ivanko gripper. The training studio where i practice armwrestling has one, so I use theirs as of now.
:cool:
About overdoing, I could just say that the interval between the workouts strongly differes between individuals and their strength limits. generally, If you are very very strong and have developped a very good neurological connection to the muscles you work out. If you then do a real discharging workout. You might have to rest for a week until next workout. This is unusual, usually you can execise 3-4 times a week without prob. I think if you put emphasis on intentisy: If you can't keep same intentisty or improve it, compared to the last session then you should stay resting. The stronger you get, (usually meaning you discharge more efficiently) the longer rests you have to take. I was scaptic to this, used to do same routines over times. That didn't give gains. When being tipped about adapting resting time to keep/improve intensity, things started to happen pretty soon while trying it.
:cool:
Intensity here means : You have a given resistance X, doing n repetitions
in time T. Then the intensity is measured as (X*n)/T. I usually use Kg and seconds as the units here. So say I have a CoC #1 and I use to do 25 reps on each set. We know the CoC #1 has 140lbs resistance ( I exclude the fact tghat the resistance varies depending on your way of gripping the gripper). Then we have to time how long time our set takes, say it took 25 secons then you have : (140*25)/25 = 140 lbs/s, then lets say you wanna work the CoC #2, and you manage to do 5 reps on 15 secs (needing to focus on each rep =). then you have (195*5)/15 = 65 lbs/s. Its a heavier gripper, but the intensity is lower. Might mean you want to improve it =)
:o
EDITED
This holds for true with some exception even for peak performance SINGLE rep to. When building up you strength foundation you usually gain more endurance by measuring in kg/s or lbs/s. If your actual goal is to get to your peak single rep performance, then measuring weight per second is recomended to be used to track how your strength is improving towards next resistance level. This is VERY useful when you have very wide resistance differences between each levels, such as in CoC (captains of crush) grippers etc. Even more efficient is to combine this with maximum load static training
and negatives statics. You use the resistance at your Peak or just above to make a better impulse for neural path and mucles to improve. Those two makes sure that when the transition is done, you can manage the new level more consistently.
/EDITED
Autolupus
23-04-2006, 14:47
Thanks armnerd, got some ironmind "helpers" coming to help with the overlap!
No.3:eek: Where abouts are you on the C of C who's who, when did you close it?:eek:
Thanks armnerd, got some ironmind "helpers" coming to help with the overlap!
No.3:eek: Where abouts are you on the C of C who's who, when did you close it?:eek:
To certify a COC #3 close, you should consistently close the gripper. As I don't do that, I havent certified yet (I don't want to fail when the certifier are there =). I will certify this year, given that nothing bad happens during my improve. Right now, I'm focusing on resting for my first armwrestling competition (April 29th). After that, I am about to improve my crushing grip and biceps brachii + brachioradialis + brachialis strengths (supinated curls standing, concentration curls and hammer curls). :D
There are also a good tool of you have access to a smith rack, handle to hook to a plate loading pin like this one : http://www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/images/1313-f.jpg
Then you can place the bar on the smith rack in height so you can grab the handle with your fingers and rest your palm against the smith bar. The resistance can be changed by loading the plate loading pin. That totally closes the resistance gap and reduces the the time to improve your crushing grip. I prefer to do as many variants of gripping training as possible.
;)
Gorill0r
23-04-2006, 17:45
I considered purchasing CoC's but Ivanko is pretty much the same imo. CoC's are more expensive because you would have to buy different versions. With the Ivanko you can change the resistence with the springs so you only have to buy one.
Might buy them in the future though, I love to compete. :D
I'm curious how you train Armnerd. What equipment do you use? How often do you train etc etc.. ?
I considered purchasing CoC's but Ivanko is pretty much the same imo. CoC's are more expensive because you would have to buy different versions. With the Ivanko you can change the resistence with the springs so you only have to buy one.
Might buy them in the future though, I love to compete. :D
I'm curious how you train Armnerd. What equipment do you use? How often do you train etc etc.. ?
If you check my signarure, you will find some info about some of the tools I have and use. CoC Grippers, powerball, barbells, dumbells, plates, towels, ropes, etc. I do many of the John Brookfield excersices, and many other stuff similar to the stuff he shows. Instead of doing sledgehammer stuff I use the barbells. I've been trying some strength stunds like ripping apart telephone books (I felt that was easier than ripping apart a card deck=) etc.
I train 3-4 times a week during a low intense period, when I'm into medium period maintaining strength i do 2-3 times a week. Intense periods its 1-2 times a week. It all depends on my recovery time related to the strain made. The armwrestling training is once a week, that would be 2-3 times a week later on.
Here is a short movie where I show a barlift similar to sledgehammer training: what I used to do is to, sway the bar from my nose and up while I watch upwards. To save time I just grabbed the bar at the very end and did a plain lift. It make a tourque on the wrist/and grip. :D
http://www.update.uu.se/~interior/barlift.avi
Gorill0r
23-04-2006, 18:39
Don't know if you know this excersice but it's a real killer.
Put some weight on only one side of a barbell. Now grap the barbell on the end (the one with no weights) and start pulling it up.
Don't know how i should say this in english but it's like reverse rope climbing. A very good excersice imo.
Don't know if you know this excersice but it's a real killer.
Put some weight on only one side of a barbell. Now grap the barbell on the end (the one with no weights) and start pulling it up.
Don't know how i should say this in english but it's like reverse rope climbing. A very good excersice imo.
Did you, check the link ?
Gorill0r
23-04-2006, 19:46
Yes, gonna try that excercise this week.
Yes, gonna try that excercise this week.
Cool :D No thumb under the bar =) If too heavy, grab closer to the middle.Warm up with a powerball ;)
I've also started training with the Ivanko Super Gripper (http://www.ivanko.com/products/html_stuff/gripper_info.html) which I highly recommend for improving your grip!
http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_img/ivanko_gripper.jpg
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these online, and for how much?
LewyOs
Does anyone know where I can buy one of these online, and for how much?
LewyOs
Well AFAIK, the price varies from 21.99 and up ( all are the same). Those are some urls I have found ( check shipping fees before you order) :
http://www.wwfitness.com/ivanko-4.html
http://www.ivanko.com/products/prd_text/SUPER_GRIPPER.html
http://www.pacillo.com/detail.asp?product=201
http://www.prowriststraps.com/super_gripper_ivanko
http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/Hand_Grips/hand_grips.html <-- ivanko equivalent, costs 19,95
Hope that could be of any help ;)
Gorill0r
24-04-2006, 21:57
I bought mine here (http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/Hand_Grips/hand_grips.html) a month ago but i see that they are only selling the The Woody Gripper now. I reckon it's pretty much the same only cheaper because it looks 100% the same except for the color. I suggest you buy 1 or 2 extra springs just in case.
I bought mine here (http://www.ironwoodyfitness.com/Hand_Grips/hand_grips.html) a month ago but i see that they are only selling the The Woody Gripper now. I reckon it's pretty much the same only cheaper because it looks 100% the same except for the color. I suggest you buy 1 or 2 extra springs just in case.
Thanks, just got mine today, im just wondering how you train with yours, such as how many reps and sets in relation to the highest amount you can grip.
Thanks
LewyOs
Thanks, just got mine today, im just wondering how you train with yours, such as how many reps and sets in relation to the highest amount you can grip.
Thanks
LewyOs
Bump
Anyone with any sort of grip trainer, Im just wondering how I should train with mine, Sets, reps etc.
Anyhelp is much appreciated.
I use handgrippers while watching TV and/or driving.
I just use it till my hand can't squeeze any longer (150-200 reps) then switch hands. I usually do 2 or 3 sets per hand three times a week.
Autolupus
10-05-2006, 20:26
Hi LewyOs, I'm guessing you've got an Ivanko!
Try a warm up and two working sets:
Find a setting that will let you close the gripper for about twenty reps, use this as your warm up.
Then get two working sets of about 6-10, on a setting that you can only manage 10 max.
Give yourself 2-5 minutes rest between sets.
When your reps on the working sets increase to 10, increase the resistance so you can get at least 6 but no more than 10. As you get stronger keep increasing the resistance.
Roadkil's on about sports shop grippers, OK for rehab I suppose.;)
Hope this helps. Mike.
Thanks alot for your replies guys. ;)
Autolupus
24-03-2007, 16:26
Really been getting to grips with grip training :D recently and have got round to the idea of hosting sites:rolleyes: , with these in mind here's my first vid postings: My first gripper vid (http://www.jumpcut.com/view?id=BAFB5C48DA0111DBB67A000423CF3686)
My PB PB!:D (http://www.jumpcut.com/view?id=5CCCC1D8DA1B11DB87BA000423CF4092)
...and a few useful sites:
http://www.gripboard.com/
http://www.grippermania.com/
http://www.gripfaq.com/
Gripboard requires you to register but well worth the effort, an absolute wealth of info!;) :cool:
Autolupus
24-03-2007, 18:24
Choked COC #2.5 for 4
My second gripper vid (http://www.jumpcut.com/view?id=0A88DEF2DA2A11DB8AA2000423CF385C):D
It's like I've got a new toy. :rolleyes:
Don't worry everyone, I'm sure the novelty will soon wear off!;) :D :D :D
For a beginner what CoC would you recommend. Do you get any benifit out of a 2 if you can't move it or close it just a little?
Autolupus
25-03-2007, 15:32
It's very hard to say without knowing your current strength levels this (http://www.ironmind.com/ironcms/export/IronMind/Main/captainsofcrush2.html) should help.
A general sports store gripper is about 20-40lbs, Ironmind COCs start with the "Guide"@60lb and go right up to the #4@365lb.
If you know anyone with a COC gripper have a squeeze and use this as a guide.
The first grippers I bought were the "Trainer" and #1 and found the #1 was the ideal one for me at the time. Some people start out not being able to close the "Trainer" but with dedicated training, go-on to close the #3.
dcash10181
27-03-2007, 15:26
I just use the Heavy Grip hand grippers. I have the 100 lbs., 200 lbs., and 300 lbs. grippers so far. I use the 200 lbs. gripper most of the time now. Not quite ready for the 300 lbs. yet. ;)
Always Powerballing,
Duane Cash.
Autolupus
27-03-2007, 17:30
HGs are cheap and will do the trick but aren't the most consistent of grippers, when it comes to poundage claims.
A lot of this depends on the set of the spring in the handles, quality of materials and whereabouts the calibration measurements were taken from.
COC are the standard by which all other grippers are ranked, most HG300s being a little over the COC #2.5.
Here's a ranking list, hope this helps:
IM Guide 60 lbs
RB70
IM Sport 80 lbs
HG100
.225 BB Beginner 100 lbs
HG150
.225 COC T 100 lbs
RB130N
RB100
RB160N
RB130
RB180N
.235 BB Advanced 140 lbs
.235 COC #1 140 lbs
HG200
.241 COC 2004 #1 153 lbs
PDA243
.250 COC 2006 #1.5 168 lbs
.250 BB Super Advanced 173 lbs
GM1 cert gripper
RB210N
HG250
RB160
.260 BB Master 195 lbs
.260 COC #2 195 lbs
RB180
RB240N
PDA262
RB260N
.273 COC 2006 #2.5 238 lbs
HG300
.275 BB Super Master 255 lbs
GM2 cert Gripper
RB210
HG400
.281 BB Grand Master 280 lbs
.281 COC #3 280 lbs
.277 RB240
.283 COC 2005 #3 290 lbs
GM3 cert gripper
RB300N
HG350
.277 RB260
.295 spring, 1/4" mount, 2.75 width MMG1 * 306 lbs
.295 spring, 3/16" mount, 2.75 width MMG2 * 315 lbs
.295 BB Elite 320 lbs
.294 COC 2006 #3.5 323 lbs
RB330N
.306 spring, 1/4" mount, 2.75 width MMG3 * 335 lbs
.295 RB300
.306 spring, 3/16” mount, 2.75 width MMG4 * 345 lbs
.306 BB Super Elite 345 lbs
.312 BB Grand Elite 365 lbs
RB330
.312 COC #4 365 lbs
.353 HG500
RB365
.331 BB Pro 430 lbs
.345 BB World Class 470 lbs
.353? BB Galaxy 565 lbs
.362 BB Super Galaxy
.375 BB Grand Galaxy
RBWT
The wire size is in decimal inches, RBWT is an acronym for
Robert Baraban Worlds Toughest @ 720lb:eek:
Good to see you're a gripper Duane!:D
dcash10181
28-03-2007, 02:47
Thanks Autolupus,
That's a great list with great information. Gee, I'll have to check out the CoC items too! :) The grippers I have were cheap, and I figured that they may enhance Powerballing grip as well. Perhaps I'll look further into this area of training, and make some advances here too! ;)
Always Powerballing,
Duane Cash
Autolupus
25-04-2007, 11:48
Just added a Vice Gripper (http://www.hammarsports.com//handstrengthgripstrength.html) to my grip arsenal, can't praise this item enough.
On lower settings I've used it to kickstart my pinch (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=839335F0F18A11DB8E7D000423CF4092&type=clip) strength to new levels and I'm currently using the higher end incremental strength settings to help me on the road to the CoC#3!
Just got an RB210 and mashed (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=A613E806F17E11DB9FCD000423CF385C&type=clip) it first go, so it seems to be working!:D
I know the rule about promoting commercial products in posts...but as this product is not in direct competition, reckoned it'd probably be ok?;)
That vice gripper jobby looks the nads :cool:, may invest in one of those to compliment my Powerballing.
Autolupus
03-05-2007, 14:08
Yeah, it's working well!
Finally got a close (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=45C1DA4AF97011DBBF56000423CEF682&type=clip) on my #3! :D Albeit a choked close, still a close on a #3 though!:D :D :D:cool:
dcash10181
03-05-2007, 14:36
Yeah, it's working well!
Finally got a close (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=45C1DA4AF97011DBBF56000423CEF682&type=clip) on my #3! :D Albeit a choked close, still a close on a #3 though!:D :D :D:cool:
Fantastic! Great job! I still need to get a #1, #2, and #3 sometime. I'd like to get in on that action too.
Closing the #3 is definitely a great feat! :)
Always Powerballing,
Duane Cash
Yeah, it's working well!
Finally got a close (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=45C1DA4AF97011DBBF56000423CEF682&type=clip) on my #3! :D Albeit a choked close, still a close on a #3 though!:D :D
I feel sorry for your powerball ;):p
Linus
Adrena1in
04-05-2007, 12:44
Did anyone else load up Autolupus's video in a small window, and thought his hand looked like a babies bottom!! :eek:
http://www.powerballs.com/tim_bridle/autolupus.jpg
Heh, now you come to mention it....
:D:D
Autolupus
04-05-2007, 17:06
Hahahaha:D LMAO!:D
Where I've chalked my hand, it looks like it's just been dusted with talcum powder too!;) :D :D :D
MrCharlie
07-05-2007, 22:04
Just ordered up one of those Vice Grippers! Super excited as I can't see a better compliment for the Gyro training. I seemed to have hit a wall recently and the scores have dropped off a bit. This should correct it and blast me past 14k!! Hitting tennis again will help too :)
thx for the info PB peeps!
Autolupus
26-05-2007, 10:44
MrCharlie, how are you getting on with the VG?
Would have PM'd but it's turned off!
MrCharlie
05-06-2007, 20:32
Good so far.. really a great product. I have closed 202 on it so far, but I'm trying to use it for a lighter and faster gripping workout.
After 3-4 weeks, I think it's started my gryo scores back on the right track too, so far. Everything but my 250hz speed.... must.get.14k.
Forgot about this Vice Gripper thing.
Just ordered one also.
Will let you know how I get on when it lands.
;):D
Adrena1in
06-06-2007, 10:50
Forgot about this Vice Gripper thing.
Just ordered one also.
Will let you know how I get on when it lands.
;):D
Please do, because I'm thinking of getting something. Captains of Crush ones look good, but not sure I want to pay £20. (I nearly bought a set of cheap workbench clamps in B&Q the other day. 3 tiny and 4 large clamps, which are basically like hand-grippers. £5! They weren't that stiff though...I want one I can't close at first, so that I can work up my strength to be able to close it. Perhaps I should get a Captains of Crush #5...or whichever one it is that only 5 men in the world have managed to close! Takes something like 390 KGs of force to close it!) ;)
Autolupus
06-06-2007, 11:07
Try the BB Grand Galaxy or the RBTW then!;)
The #4's the one you're on about and it's around 365lbs.
petemayhew
06-06-2007, 17:22
Imagine shaking the guys hand :eek::eek::(
Adrena1in
11-06-2007, 12:31
That's it, to satisfy my curiosity I've ordered #1 and #2 CoC Grippers. Don't even know if I'll be able to close the #1 at first, but hopefully they'll be a useful additional training aid for my grip-strength.
w00t!!:eek::D
My Vice Gripper landed at work just 5 mins ago!!
Just having a play now.
Progressed from the default 45lb setting to 130lb setting so far.
Reckon I could go a couple of notches higher and still get a close.
Will post some pics and vidz soon.
;):D
Edit: 141lb nailed ;)
Edit: 151lb now, could go another 10-20lbs more I think. But I'm gonna leave it for now as I'm at work and could get a bo****king :o:o
Edit: 161lb......bo****king imminent......;):D
Adrena1in
12-06-2007, 10:41
Nice one, looks like this sort of thing could become as addictive as a Powerball. The CoC grippers are fixed, and I reckon I should be able to close the #1 fairly soon after receiving them, (140 lbs or thereabouts, but the #2 (195 lbs) will take some working up to.)
What defines a proper "close" though? Just touching the handles together briefly, or holding them together for a certain amount of time?
What defines a proper "close" though? Just touching the handles together briefly, or holding them together for a certain amount of time?
Dunno, have to wait for Autolupus to show up and answer that one with any authority. ;):D
But, I'd assume handles touching and held for 1 sec.
Autolupus
12-06-2007, 11:59
So long as the handles actually touch, even if only briefly, it's a close.
A close and hold for time is an overcrush.;) :)
Cheers for clearing that up Autolupus ;)
So, how long will it take before my hands look like a baby's bum? :p;):D
Adrena1in
12-06-2007, 12:05
So, how long will it take before my hands look like a baby's bum? :p;):D
:D :D
Really looking forward to get my CoCs now. We'll have to all bring these things along to the Championship in a couple of months. :)
.......We'll have to all bring these things along to the Championship in a couple of months. :)
Word.
;):D:cool:
Edit: w00t!! Just got a close @ 181lbs ;) :D
Edit: 190lbs now! :eek:
Edit: Heh, nearly as addictive as Powerballs.....200lbs now ;)
Adrena1in
12-06-2007, 12:51
I've just been told my CoCs are on their way! :D
Nice one, get a few more people doing grip stuff for an unofficial Powerballers League.
Coolio!!
Enjoying this.
Up to 215lbs now.
;):D
Adrena1in
12-06-2007, 12:59
At this rate you'll be the sixth person in the World to close 365 lbs! ;)
At this rate you'll be the sixth person in the World to close 365 lbs! ;)
LoL :D
If only, starting to bottom out now at 220lbs.
LH is only just closing, RH still has a bit left to give. ;):D
Just checked my technique, not sure I've been getting a full close :o
Gonna drop back to about 150lbs and go again from there, checking more carefully. ;):D
Installed
13-06-2007, 03:48
Wow dude, you've got quite the grip!! I need to get me one of them things. :D
I thought I was doing great till I realised I wasn't getting a full close on those really high settings.:rolleyes::o
Was still getting to about 90-95% closed though I reckon, about 2-5mm between handles.
Heh, trying to run before I can walk as my old man would say. ;):D
Chillerhippie
13-06-2007, 14:58
Ive found that cleaning the rubber band, and ball in hot soapy water just before doing a speed run helps with grip. instead of getting it ultra dry just quickly wipe off any excess water and leave your hands feeling a little damp. when cleaning your ball, apply the soap n water with a damp cloth to the outside and avoid getting the rotor and counter wet because that could be bad.
it only works for the 1st couple of runs then you will have to redo it again to maintain the moisture.
petemayhew
13-06-2007, 18:56
I thought I was doing great till I realised I wasn't getting a full close on those really high settings.:rolleyes::o
Was still getting to about 90-95% closed though I reckon, about 2-5mm between handles.
Heh, trying to run before I can walk as my old man would say. ;):D
Have you got a linky to these grippers?
are they the IronMind ones?
Also we are allowed to talk about this product on the powerball forums aren't we? I suppose it's a complimentary product rather then a competitors
Alastair V
13-06-2007, 19:27
Geeza link.
Sounds like another powerball forum competition.:D
Autolupus
13-06-2007, 21:41
Have you got a linky to these grippers?
are they the IronMind ones?
Also we are allowed to talk about this product on the powerball forums aren't we? I suppose it's a complimentary product rather then a competitors
Read the thread, not just the latest posts!:rolleyes: ;) :D
No, not the Ironmind, although Adrena1in is getting a #1 & #2.
Guessing it's OK, I did sorta ask in a post EARLIER in the thread, where I also posted the link!;) :D
Adrena1in
14-06-2007, 09:22
In the past RPM Sports have started to stock products which originally came from what you might call competitor sites, so you never know, they might start stocking grippers as complimentary exercise tools to be used alongside Powerballs.
Oh, and my Captains of Crush have arrived! Office is full so I'll feel a bit of a nong getting them out to play with now, but I'll try them later.
Bloody kangaroos must be on strike I ordered a CocC #2 3 days before you did it's only coming from Queensland and it's still not here:mad:
For those too lazy to read through the thread for the link.:rolleyes::p;)
Here it is again.
Vice Gripper (http://www.hammarsports.com/handstrengthgripstrength.html)
This is what I bought after Autolupus' recommendation.
;):D
It's not cheap, ended up costing me just over £30 with shipping from USA, etc.
But it goes from 45lbs pressure to close up to 360lbs pressure to close in variable increments of 3-10lbs in one handy device.
I like mine almost as much as my Powerballs now. ;):D
Adrena1in
14-06-2007, 12:59
My CoCs arrived, and they were £20 each, so really pricey when you think I've only got two levels of resistance.
Quick go on the #1 just now and I can quite easily get the handles to about 8 or 9 mm apart, but then I can't do the last bit for a close. It feels just right for casual exercise. Will stick with it and see how things change. (Weirdly, already after only 5 or 6 squeezes with my right hand, the fingers of my right hand suddenly feel tight, like they're filling my skin, and my left hand feels loose and slack. Very odd.
Aye, closing that last 5-10mm is certainly the hardest bit.;):D
My hands are pretty pumped from the gripping too.
The ring I wear on the ring finger of my right hand was pretty snug after my Powerball sesh on Monday night.
But after using the Vice Gripper for a couple of days I've had to take my ring off as it was getting uncomfortable.
After a day or two's rest I'll be able to put my ring back on I reckon.
Adrena1in
14-06-2007, 13:49
The hardest bit is doing it with my left hand. Can't get the thing anywhere near closed.
Autolupus
14-06-2007, 17:35
Best of luck with the training, here's a close on my single stamp #1 (http://www.strengthmill.com/viewvideo/480/_1_NS_2_finger_/?ref=Autolupus).;)
i ordered a training,#1 and 1.5 captains of crush from america so it will take a while but i cant wait to get them. i hope i can actually close the trainer!!
Adrena1in
15-06-2007, 12:07
Best of luck with the training, here's a close on my single stamp #1 (http://www.strengthmill.com/viewvideo/480/_1_NS_2_finger_/?ref=Autolupus).;)
Showoff! :o ;)
Autolupus
15-06-2007, 12:25
Showoff! :o ;)
Sorry, I couldn't resist!:o
Shouldn't be long before you're repping that #1 and getting blisters, then callouses in brand new places!;) :)
With your tenacity Tim, you'll be nailing the #2 too!:)
Adrena1in
15-06-2007, 14:05
I don't know. At times I can get the handles pass parallel, but then even with applying lots of pressure with my other hand I still can't get them to touch. That final pinch is a real killer.
I'll work on it.
Checking properly now :o;)
I can get a full close @ 172lbs RH but pull up 2-3mm short LH
Will push on to see what I can get RH full close.
;):D
Adrena1in
15-06-2007, 15:31
Crumbs One-Eye, that's pretty impressive really. (You must bring your Gripper to the UK Championship, assuming you can make it. Wonder if I'll be closing the 145lb #1 CoC by then?!) :o
Heh, got a full close RH @ 181lbs.....just.
Was about 5mm off full close LH.
Just tried 190lbs, can't get a full close either hand (3-4mm off RH, 7-8mm off LH).
Gonna drop back and go from 181lbs in smaller increments to see where exactly my RH tops out.:o;)
Edit: Managed a RH close @ 184lbs, LH still about 4-5mm off.
petemayhew
15-06-2007, 19:18
I might have to buy one ... a small one :p
I suppose this is why u guys bought them ...
Another matter is the grip. Ok I know that this is already discussed and it is well known that a good grip improves performance. But sometimes, I find that when getting near to the peak speed, if I squeeze the ball even harder (trying to crush it!), mostly with the lower part of the palm, I may add a some rpms to the score. However I can only do this in hot mode, or else my hand will stop moving! :-)
Installed
15-06-2007, 21:52
I might have to buy one ... a small one
The one with variable settings looks like a good investment for us weaklings... :p
Adrena1in
18-06-2007, 11:03
The final "pinch" for me on the 145lbs CoC #1 just isn't happening. I saw a video on YouTube of some guy with a #2 or #3 and he had the thumb of his other hand pressed against the handle of the gripper while it was in the palm of his other hand..."for support only" apparently. Out of interest I tried this and was able to close the #1, so it obviously helps...therefore not a real close.
So anyway, I've ordered the 100lbs Trainer model, to exercise the muscles to make that final close.
Autolupus
18-06-2007, 11:13
He was probably using a "set", providing he removed the thumb for the close. There are various ways of "setting" a gripper, this link should go some way to explaining: Gripper setting. (http://www.grippermania.com/index.php?showtopic=1909)
So you can get a set close but not a TNS/NS(table/total no set, no set) close.
Usually the deeper the set the easier it is to get a close.
Well done by the way!:D
Hmmz, I'm still a little unclear as to what "setting" is and the differences between the classifications of "set". :confused:
Is there any other articles or posts with pics to illustrate better?
Edit: Still loving the Vice Gripper though :D
Autolupus
18-06-2007, 15:41
Here's a couple more links: Link1 (http://www.grippermania.com/index.php?showtopic=5244&hl=setting) Link2 (http://www.grippermania.com/index.php?showtopic=1679&hl=setting)
The next thing to do, is visit some of the sites I'd linked to earlier in this thread and spend a few hours browsing the wealth of information to be found in the forums, as with anything, it's a learning curve and the more effort you put in, the more knowledge you'll aquire.:D
Cheers for that, a lot clearer on the subject now.
;):D
Adrena1in
18-06-2007, 17:51
...providing he removed the thumb for the close.
No, he didn't...he kept it there.
petemayhew
18-06-2007, 21:25
Just ordered a Trainer and a #1 with some guidance on the grippermania forums :)
I'll see how I get on.
pete, i thought you ordered a number 4# as you broke your last number 4# when you held it closed for over 10 seconds ;) ;) ;) ;)
GILPI :)
I got my CoC #2 today can get to about 2cm away I'd hate to see the 3 and 4 this thing is a monster:eek:
edit 1cm away
Adrena1in
19-06-2007, 10:59
It wasn't a proper close, as I used the thumb on my left hand to hold the handle in my palm, but I managed to touch the handles together on my #1. I then held it with my right hand only and touched the handles together a few more times after allowing them to move just millimeters apart.
I'm sure I'm not training my grip "properly", but with regular use I've made good progress I think, considering I could only just get the handles parallel to each other last week. Once I can get a regular close, and perhaps do several in succession, I'll move onto training with the #2. I'm still getting a Trainer though.
May have to get a 2, 2.5 or 3 to see how I compare with you lot.
Got a proper close with my RH on my Vice Gripper @202lbs yesterday, after using my LH to help 'set' it.
Adrena1in
19-06-2007, 12:07
PM me your address and I'll post you my #2 so you can have a go with it. :)
petemayhew
19-06-2007, 16:54
Isn't there 3 settings or whatever?
MMS CCS and TNS
Which one do you have to close it with for it to be a valid grip? Would it be the table no set? :rolleyes:
PM me your address and I'll post you my #2 so you can have a go with it. :)
Cheers for the offer Tim, will be taking you up on that.
;):D
petemayhew
20-06-2007, 16:48
I got my #T and #1 today :D
I can close the #T with quite a bit of effort with both hands, but the #1 is too hard for me. I can't quite get the last 10mm.
Autolupus
20-06-2007, 18:12
Nice closes on the Trainer Pete. :D
Sounds like you choose the right grippers!;) :D
All the best with your grip gains!:D
Adrena1in
20-06-2007, 21:06
I can close the #T with quite a bit of effort with both hands.
I gather you mean with either hand? I can close my #1 if I use both hands! ;)
I can close the #2 with both hands in fact. :rolleyes:
EDIT: Autolupus, any way to stop them squeaking so much!?
petemayhew
20-06-2007, 22:07
Yer I mean I can close it with both hands individually. But not the #1 that takes me two hands :p
Anyway to stop them squeaking so much?!
WD40 maybe?
Autolupus
20-06-2007, 22:22
Yeah as Pete says WD40, although I prefer a light multi purpose oil, like 151 or 3in1, gun oil will also work well.:)
Adrena1in
20-06-2007, 22:37
I'll give some WD40, or, even better, some GT85, a try. Gun oil I'm fresh out of at present! ;)
Installed
20-06-2007, 23:36
Whew, nice closes Pete. The trainer or the #1 certainly don't sound easy.
damn you guys, why do you have to make everything sound so appealing, you've just made me spend even more money :S:D....lol
After reading this I just had to get in on the action so I ordered myself a CoC Trainer and a #1, interested to see how I get one with them.
Linus
petemayhew
21-06-2007, 07:23
Nice one Linus.
You'll like them for sure.
I got a vid of me closing the trainer LH but I don't know
if I'm doing it right.
I'll give some WD40, or, even better, some GT85, a try. Gun oil I'm fresh out of at present! ;)
I have some 3-in-1 Tim.
I'll lube the #2 for you when you lend it to me. ;):D
Adrena1in
21-06-2007, 11:31
I'll lube the #2 for you when you lend it to me. ;):D
I'll GT85 it before I send it...if you ever give me your address! ;)
Adrena1in
22-06-2007, 11:04
WD40 worked pretty well. Have the #2 packaged up, but not sure where there's a Post Office in Reading, so I might not get to send it today.
Oh, and I think I closed my #1 last night properly for the first time. Sometimes it seems easier than others, and I'm sure the handles touched, but I wasn't 100% certain, as when I turned my hand to look I felt them move apart. They were definitely within 1mm if they didn't close. (Shame they don't have a little buzzer which goes off when they touch!) ;)
Cheers Tim, appreciate you lending me your #2.
No rush for it, I'll get it when I get it. ;):D
And well done on closing the #1.
Hoping to mash your #2 when I get it, think TNS could be a struggle though.
Adrena1in
22-06-2007, 13:08
What is all this "TNS" and "MMS" and stuff?
And if your Gripper is accurate, One-Eye, then you should close the #2 first time I guess, if you've done over 200lbs. I'll be picking up my Trainer from work later on for gentle exercise, and I'll work on getting my left hand nearer to closing the #1, as it's miles away at the moment.
petemayhew
22-06-2007, 16:54
What is all this "TNS" and "MMS" and stuff?
'TNS' = Table no set. You have to pick it up and close it without the other hand touching it.
'MMS' = Mash Monster Set. Don't have a clue what this is.
There's also
CCS = Credit card set. A credit card has to fit in the gap of the handles.
Adrena1in
22-06-2007, 17:28
I see. Well I can TNS the Trainer with either hand easily, but I do tend to always use my left hand to help position the #1, (and close it slightly first so as to get a better grip).
petemayhew
22-06-2007, 17:33
I think MMS is easiest.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vhv0mWY13x0&mode=related&search=
Then it's CCS
Then TNS is the hardest.
i got my 3 coc grippers. opened the trainer and i can barely close it,i can do ten with a very small gap.havent opened the packaging of the #1 and 1.5 just in case. whats the best training routine for these?
Adrena1in
24-06-2007, 11:40
I think MMS is easiest.
So you practically use both hands to close it, then you just hold it there with one hand. I can quite easily close my #1 like that...with my RH. I can do a CCS now with my right hand actually. Wish I had a 1.5 rather than a 2, (though that's on it's way to One-Eye to try out.)
argh I can't wait to get mine :D.
Btw where did everyone buy theirs?
Linus
petemayhew
24-06-2007, 17:21
argh I can't wait to get mine :D.
Btw where did everyone buy theirs?
Linus
www.londonkettlebells.com, cheapest place. :)
i ordered mine from america it was cheap for 3 grippers, im fairly sure i wont use the #1.5 though
http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/
it was $80 including delivery about £40
i can just about close the trainer so got a long way to go!!
petemayhew
24-06-2007, 20:11
i ordered mine from america it was cheap for 3 grippers, im fairly sure i wont use the #1.5 though
http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/
it was $80 including delivery about £40
i can just about close the trainer so got a long way to go!!
Whats the 'freight quote' thing about? It says i have to email them prior order to get one.
petemayhew
24-06-2007, 21:20
Anyone seen this?
http://i16.tinypic.com/4m387e8.jpg
Lol
redplunger
24-06-2007, 21:24
lmao
:D :D :D
noooo:eek:
Autolupus
24-06-2007, 21:25
The Eagle Catcher, yes!;) :D
think my dad had one of those aaaages ago, and i hurt myself badly with it, cut my hand open :( the hooks are nasty....
good exerciser though
GILPI :)
Adrena1in
25-06-2007, 08:34
Got mine from LondonKettleBells.
One-Eye, let us know when you receive your package from me and how you get on with the #2. Intrigued to know if you can mash it first time! ;)
Cheers Tim, will give you a heads up when your #2 lands and let you know how I get on with it.
;):D
Edit: #2 just landed in post!!!
Edit: Just had a bit of a go, can't fully close it TNS or MMS, get to within about 5mm. Got a vid off a digicam (no sound), will upload in a bit.
Edit: Vid linky's for first 3 tries RH. LH is lagging a little, can get to about 5-6mm. RH can now get to about 3mm.
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/OneEyeUK/?action=view¤t=DSCN0290.flv
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/OneEyeUK/?action=view¤t=DSCN0291.flv
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/OneEyeUK/?action=view¤t=DSCN0296.flv
Adrena1in
25-06-2007, 10:55
Nice, when I first tried with it I could get the handles parallel, and now I could probably get the ends to within 4 or 5 mm with a MMS. That was similar to my abilities with the #1 at first, but I can CCS close that now.
Whats the 'freight quote' thing about? It says i have to email them prior order to get one.
i just emailed saying i would like to buy 3 grippers and how much postage would be,and they got back to me right away,it was only $21 for shipping to the uk
i can close the trainer and i had a go on my #1 managed to get it close to closing resting for a few days now
i ordered mine from america it was cheap for 3 grippers, im fairly sure i wont use the #1.5 though
http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/
it was $80 including delivery about £40
i can just about close the trainer so got a long way to go!!
well if you find you won't use the #1.5 I'd be glad to take it off your hands. I ordered a trainer and a #1 so I will see how I get on with those.
Keep the offer in mind :)
Linus
Nice, when I first tried with it I could get the handles parallel, and now I could probably get the ends to within 4 or 5 mm with a MMS. That was similar to my abilities with the #1 at first, but I can CCS close that now.
On my visit to MJ, she tried Trainer and #1. She almost closed Trainer with left hand. #1 was tougher for her.
If MJ trained with those grippers she would humilliate most men :D
regards,
Pako.
:D just got my grippers a few mins ago.
Trainer is fairly easy to close but the #1 is tough, I can get to within 1cm but then my strength gives out :(:)
Is anyone else getting blisters on their middle fingers? Those knurled handles really tear into my skin. :o
I'll keep training and see if I can close that #1 soon :)
Linus
Adrena1in
25-06-2007, 15:23
...i had a go on my #1 managed to get it close to closing resting for a few days now
I've lent my #2 to One-Eye, (only cost £1.80 or something to post it to him in a jiffy bag), so if you happen to want to lend the #1.5 to me I'd be happy to try it for you! ;)
Just got Tim's #2 to 1mm from closed.:eek:
Have to try it again on camera. :o
petemayhew
25-06-2007, 18:30
Here's a vid of me closing the trainer, am I doing it right?
It really burns the skin, so i don't know if the pressure is
concentrated on the wrong part of my fingers.
Video (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/SoulSauce_/?action=view¤t=Video284.flv)
petemayhew
25-06-2007, 18:33
Just got Tim's #2 to 1mm from closed.:eek:
Have to try it again on camera. :o
Are you closing the gripper with the 'Dogleg' part of the spring on your thumb pad? If not then make sure you do this as it will make it easier to close the gripper. There's a vid (http://www.londonkettlebells.com/captains-of-crush-and-ironmind-grip-equipment.html) here explaining it.
Autolupus
25-06-2007, 19:13
Pete, you got a good strong close AND a 32 sec overcrush!:D
Here's a vid of me closing the trainer, am I doing it right?
It really burns the skin, so i don't know if the pressure is
concentrated on the wrong part of my fingers.
Video (http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/SoulSauce_/?action=view¤t=Video284.flv)
nice hold :D Really kills doesn't it ;)...lol
How close are you to closing the #1? I managed to get within about 3mm earlier but the blisters have stopped me from trying again properly. :(
Keep squeezing and spinning :D
Linus
Adrena1in
26-06-2007, 09:39
It's quite surprising how quickly one can progress with these Grippers. When I'm fresh I can quite easily close the #1 now, (still not quite from a TNS...tried earlier but I think my hands were a bit dry and slippery, so I could get a good grip). But with a CCS I can snap it closed quite quickly and hold it there for over 10 seconds. (I need a #1.5!) ;)
It's quite surprising how quickly one can progress with these Grippers. When I'm fresh I can quite easily close the #1 now, (still not quite from a TNS...tried earlier but I think my hands were a bit dry and slippery, so I could get a good grip). But with a CCS I can snap it closed quite quickly and hold it there for over 10 seconds. (I need a #1.5!) ;)
awesome, look forward to being able to snap that sucker shut in a few days :D. How much do you train? Do you train with them every day or do you just mess around with them every now and again.
Linus
Adrena1in
26-06-2007, 09:59
I just mess about with them really. Sit infront of the telly and mash the trainer a few times, experimenting with different grips and stuff. My normal grip is thumb upwards and spring at the top, but I've tried thumb upwards spring underneath, and this feels a little harder. Don't really train with the #1...one closure I can hold, but then I can't seem to do it again straight after.
Oh, and I managed a MMS #1 left hand close last night too. :D
I just mess about with them really. Sit infront of the telly and mash the trainer a few times, experimenting with different grips and stuff. My normal grip is thumb upwards and spring at the top, but I've tried thumb upwards spring underneath, and this feels a little harder. Don't really train with the #1...one closure I can hold, but then I can't seem to do it again straight after.
Oh, and I managed a MMS #1 left hand close last night too. :D
managed to get the #1 closed today :D. I think I'll be needing that #1.5 soon aswell ;). Left hand is blistered badly so I can't do any gripping or powerballing with it today.
Linus
petemayhew
26-06-2007, 16:39
I can close the #1 fairly easily with my right but only on MMS with a very quick close. So i need to work on it really
Adrena1in
26-06-2007, 17:34
Closing the #1 already Pete? Well done, I got mine way before you and only managed for the first time a couple of days ago.
petemayhew
26-06-2007, 17:45
Closing the #1 already Pete? Well done, I got mine way before you and only managed for the first time a couple of days ago.
I'll do a vid later maybe but I'm in middle of sesh right now ;)
I can only MMS it, which is fairly easy as it's a very quick thing. But never mind a CCS or TNS in the near future. Or over crushing for any length of time.
I'll do a vid later maybe but I'm in middle of sesh right now ;)
I can only MMS it, which is fairly easy as it's a very quick thing. But never mind a CCS or TNS in the near future. Or over crushing for any length of time.
well done, no matter what way you do it it is no mean feat :D
MMS closes are definitely easier but I've been practicing CCS and don't find that it makes such a huge difference really. I think this is mainly because this setting method allows you to position the dogleg properly on the thumb with the other hand, which is the vital thing for me to get the right leverage. The fingers themselves I can quite easily wriggle into the proper position afterwards without the help of the other hand, but that dogleg positioning is what makes TNS so damn hard. Still haven't managed to close the #1 this way. Dunno if my method is allowed for it to be classed as a proper CCS but I don't see why not as the second hand is no longer involved after the distance has been measured. I will make a video at some point anyway and let the more experienced people decide :)
Linus
Adrena1in
27-06-2007, 08:46
I agree with Linus. On the same day I first did a MMS close with the #1 I also later managed a TNS close with it. (Admittedly I didn't know what all these terms meant for a while, so I might have been able to MMS close it at an earlier date I suppose.)
Still needs a big crushing force to touch those handles together...145lbs is 65 kilos, or 10.3 stone. Bet that's as much as some of you weigh! The #2 is 88 kilos or 14 stone...hope I can close that before I weigh it! ;)
.....Still needs a big crushing force to touch those handles together...145lbs is 65 kilos, or 10.3 stone. Bet that's as much as some of you weigh! The #2 is 88 kilos or 14 stone...hope I can close that before I weigh it! ;)
Heh, I already weigh it, and a little more. ;):D
Can still only get to about 1mm from closing your #2 atm Tim.
Gonna try and rest from gripping today and see what I can do with the #2 tomorrow.
Adrena1in
27-06-2007, 12:38
Can still only get to about 1mm from closing your #2 atm Tim.So how does it compare to the Vice Gripper? You said you got to over 200lbs on that, so is it slightly easier do you think? (Hard to compare both back to back I suppose...are you like me in that you can sometimes easily do a close, but then 10 seconds later can't do it again?)
Hopefully Hugh's sending me his #1.5 to try...I gather that's about 170lbs.
i sent it today tim so it should be with you soon had a quick squezze before i sent it but i was no way near closing!
couldn't resist, impulse bought myself a #1.5 and #2 today :D. My fingers will never forgive me :o;). But its nice to have a target to aim for, that #1 is getting too easy, lol :)
Linus
Hey guys.
Have any of you seen good results on powerballing using Coc´s?
No. I'm still about 10mm away from a close on the 2 coc
So how does it compare to the Vice Gripper? You said you got to over 200lbs on that, so is it slightly easier do you think? (Hard to compare both back to back I suppose...are you like me in that you can sometimes easily do a close, but then 10 seconds later can't do it again?)
Hopefully Hugh's sending me his #1.5 to try...I gather that's about 170lbs.
Still can't get the #2 fully closed.....yet.
Just that annoying last 1-2mm.....
The CoC feels slightly different to the vice gripper, the handles on the vice gripper have a longer turning radius and come together evenly along the entire length.
Also, the knurling on the CoC handles is deeper and gives a slightly better grip.
But, the Vice Gripper is good because of the adjustability.
When I got the close @202lbs on the VG I was holding it inverted, with the 'further apart' bit of the handles towards my index finger rather towards my pinkie.
Have concentrated on holding the VG 'normally' now and finding it a little tougher.
I can do reps on the VG up to about 5 reps @ 170lbs, after that I just try single closes and I can struggle to do another full close immediately after.
Gonna try nudging up how much I can rep at.
Really want to close that #2.
;):D
Adrena1in
28-06-2007, 10:27
i sent it today tim so it should be with you soon...
Thanks Hugh, it's just arrived! I'll give it a try in a bit... :D
Woohoo!! Mashed the #1.5 on my first try!! ;)
wow well done! that will give you some good practise for the #2 then
Adrena1in
28-06-2007, 11:44
It's just right actually. I can MMS Close it and hold it closed for a bit, but I can't CCS Close it...can get to within about 2 or 3 mm. I should've got this instead of the #2 really.
I'll perhaps take a video clip later and then post it back tomorrow. Thanks again. :)
Autolupus
28-06-2007, 11:51
For those with the Vice Gripper, there's a couple of little apps. Here (http://www.angelfire.com/ar/mathgod/sg/supergripper.html)
which you may find useful. They're for the ISG but they're basically the same.;) :)
That's a handy thing Autolupus, cheers for that.
But I just printed off the chart from the Hammar sports website, as I don't always have my pc handy when I'm using the Vice Gripper.
http://www.hammarsports.com/images/Gripper-resistance-data.jpg
Thanks Hugh, it's just arrived! I'll give it a try in a bit... :D
Woohoo!! Mashed the #1.5 on my first try!! ;)
nice :) so you must be able to do quite a few reps with the #1 right? I can only get about 2 reps with the #1 right now, so I want to get an idea of I will be able to close the 1.5#, how much tougher does the #1.5 feel?
Linus
Adrena1in
28-06-2007, 15:14
...you must be able to do quite a few reps with the #1 right?
Depends what you mean by that. I can quite easily do a CCS #1, but not sure I can do more than one. A MMS on the #1.5 is probably about as easy as a TNS on the #1. At a guess.
It's just so hard to compare these things back to back, because one close and I'm done!! :o
Depends what you mean by that. I can quite easily do a CCS #1, but not sure I can do more than one. A MMS on the #1.5 is probably about as easy as a TNS on the #1. At a guess.
It's just so hard to compare these things back to back, because one close and I'm done!! :o
oh right, yeah I know what you mean, its hard to compare the strenghts because so much depends on getting the right positioning of the fingers and thumb pad, AND having enough strenght left in your forearm to clamp it shut ;). Like you I find that sometimes I can close the #1 quite easily with an CCS and even go on to do another rep but other times it just wont close. A TNS close is nearly there for me now but its damn tough :) I also got very close to crushing the #1 with my left today but couldn't get that last mm to touch the handles. Will try again when the blisters are fully healed.
Well I guess I will just have to wait to see how I get one with the #1.5 and the #2. I don't think I will have any chance of getting the #2 even close to a close but hopefully the #1.5 will be just right to practice.
Linus
petemayhew
28-06-2007, 16:44
I took my #1 to school today and no-one could close it except me :D
I gave it to a teacher and he couldn't even do it!
Some off topic - Metal and Screamer should be coming tomorrow, finally. :cool:
I took my #1 to school today and no-one could close it except me :D
I gave it to a teacher and he couldn't even do it!
Some off topic - Metal and Screamer should be coming tomorrow, finally. :cool:
you still have school pete? When do you get off for summer hols, most schools here have been finished for quite some time.
Linus
petemayhew
28-06-2007, 20:34
you still have school pete? When do you get off for summer hols, most schools here have been finished for quite some time.
Linus
Finish July 21st :mad::mad::mad:
Got 3 loads of coursework to finish within the next 2 weeks so if you don't see me on here next week you'll know why. :o
Adrena1in
29-06-2007, 10:11
When Hugh's #1.5 arrived here yesterday I should've passed it round the office. I expect my boss could have closed it as he's a big chap, but the others wouldn't have been able to. Others weren't able to get the #1 anywhere near closed when I first got that, (but then I couldn't either).
Hugh, due to the Postal Strike I've not brought the 1.5 in today to post it back to you, so I'll send it back early next week. Thanks again for the loan.
Ooh, reminds me Tim.
Are you ok about me hanging on to your #2 for another week or so?
Really want to close it and I'm so annoyingly close.
;):D
Adrena1in
29-06-2007, 11:00
Ooh, reminds me Tim.
Are you ok about me hanging on to your #2 for another week or so?Yeah, of course, I could only just about Mash the 1.5, so it's going to be ages before I'll be doing that on the #2 anyway. I think I might get one of those extras you can put around a CoC to add an extra bit of resistance.
Autolupus
29-06-2007, 11:05
I wouldn't bother with a helper Tim, they're not really that much help.;) :)
If you PM me your address you can have one of the one's I've got collecting dust.
Heh, just done best effort at closing that #2 ever and it was LH too. :D
I will close it soon....
Edit: just got even better close RH, not too clear on video, but looks like handles may have touched slightly. Uploading to photobucket now....
When Hugh's #1.5 arrived here yesterday I should've passed it round the office. I expect my boss could have closed it as he's a big chap, but the others wouldn't have been able to. Others weren't able to get the #1 anywhere near closed when I first got that, (but then I couldn't either).
Hugh, due to the Postal Strike I've not brought the 1.5 in today to post it back to you, so I'll send it back early next week. Thanks again for the loan.
dude hold on to it as long as you like i wont be able to close for ages. im going to concentrate mainly on the trainer,just doing as many closes and reps as i can,then when i can do like 20 or so ill move onto the #1 and do same again so i imagine i wont need the 1.5 for a week or 2
Vid of best effort so far with Tim's #2.
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/OneEyeUK/?action=view¤t=DSCN0304.flv
Need better quality video to see if I really can get it fully closed.
Still pleased with that one though. :D:D
Autolupus
29-06-2007, 12:26
Nice attempt, that was just a fraction short of a close!:D
Heh, I guessed it was probably too much to hope for.
Must try harder next time. ;):D
Adrena1in
29-06-2007, 13:03
dude hold on to it as long as you like ... week or 2
Okay, cool...cheers. Would be nice to be able to CCS Close it I guess, so I'll work on that.
Plus I've heard that too many reps with the easier grippers isn't a good training method. Autolupus, is this right? What would be better? I can close the Trainer easily, and have a few times done 10 reps with one hand and 10 with the other, but would it be better to perhaps choke it for 20 or 30 seconds or something, rather than doing lots of reps? Or closing it with just 3 or 2 fingers perhaps??
Autolupus
29-06-2007, 14:00
As with any training, what works for one may not necessarily work so well for another...that said if closing a higher ranked gripper is your aim then cranking out reps on a lighter gripper mightn't be optimal!
Anything over 10-12 reps and you'll be conditioning rather than strengthening perse.
For a beginner this is no bad thing, as it will help develop tendon strength over time and help prevent injury. Your muscles will adapt pretty quickly, leaving your tendons(which take a lot longer to strengthen, no blood supply and rely on plasma) to play catch up.
Keep on like this and at best you'll get a touch of tendonitis, nasty, and at worst a snapped tendon, requiring surgery and 6 months+ to repair.
Hand strength and health is a long road travelled, you will pick up injuries along the way but if you train smart, you'll keep them to a minimum.
Really grippers are a tool to strengthen hands and that's what you should be aiming for but because of the ranking element, striving for the next step is very addictive and becomes an aim in itself!
Rather than start on negatives, overcrushes or timed holds would be a good way to go.
If you hold a piece of paper or coin between the closed handles, this will give you an accurate indication of when the handles open, the paper or coin will drop!
Try a 5x5(5 sets of 5 reps) of closes and finish with a timed hold, each time trying to better your last, a very good indication of strength increase.
If you can get 5x5 with a #1 then use a Trainer for the timed hold.
You could just try the timed hold on it's own, trying to beat your best can get quite addictive and if you start a little league then...;) :D
Adrena1in
29-06-2007, 16:57
You should specify which coin too...a pound coin is a lot thicker than a 5p! :D
Good idea though, a piece of paper would be best. But surely if you can do a 5x5 on a #1, (I'd be nowhere near), you could crush a Trainer almost indefinitely?!
petemayhew
29-06-2007, 17:02
...trying to beat your best can get quite addictive and if you start a little league then...;) :D
Is there one of these with like a #2 or something like that on ironmind?
Like has some held one for minutes on end? Or maybe #3 for some people?! :eek:
Autolupus
29-06-2007, 18:06
But surely if you can do a 5x5 on a #1, (I'd be nowhere near), you could crush a Trainer almost indefinitely?!
You'd be surprised!;)
You'd be surprised!;)
skin slippage anyone :eek::D
Linus
Adrena1in
01-07-2007, 13:52
You'd be surprised!;)
I tried the Trainer and a piece of paper between the handle-ends and yes, I was surprised how short a time it took to fall to the floor. :o
Question; Do you know if the 1.5 is half-way between a #1 and #2? It's just that I find the #1.5 only slightly more difficult than the #1...I have even CCS Closed the #1.5. :)
I dunno tbh, I think I saw the resistance of the #1.5 somewhere but can't find it again now, strangely they aren't rated on the ironmind site at all. The #1 is 140lbs and the #2 is 195lbs so I'm guessing the #1.5 would be in the 160lbs -170lbs range, and I think I remember seeing it rated at 165lbs actually but i'm not sure anymore. I guess you should be able to crush the #2 by now or at least get very close if the #1.5 is feeling so easy :D.
I'm looking forward to giving it a sqeeze anyway, I've managed a max of 4 reps on my #1 and can easilly do more than 20 on the Trainer. Usually do about 5 sets of 10 reps which is a great forearm workout for me along with some powerballing ;).
btw here is a nice pic I found of the entire family (not including the in between weights), so, Fook that #4 is a monster :eek:
http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/images/ironmind_captains_of_crush_hand_grippers.jpg
Linus
Autolupus
01-07-2007, 17:36
Here's some pics of my HG500 next to my #2.;)
http://www.jumpcut.com/media/dyn/8e/213e/0f8f79d94b6b17af73c4fc0061/lq.jpg
http://www.jumpcut.com/media/dyn/51/137c/070406ac2978c6d4d9ab4e2f6f/lq.jpg
damn thats one heck of a thick torsion spring :), how close are you to crushing that monster? Hehe :D
Linus
petemayhew
01-07-2007, 21:29
Thats pretty sick! :eek:
Have you got a pic of the Robert Baraban Worlds Toughest one? ;):p
I believe this is it :eek::eek:
http://www.geocities.com/ltgodfrey/3vswt.jpg
petemayhew
01-07-2007, 22:26
OMFG :eek::eek::eek::D:D:D
Only made as a novelty item surely? No-ones going to close that, not even with two hands... :cool:
Adrena1in
02-07-2007, 08:16
That really is a monster. I wonder how much I could move the handles towards each other?! ;)
I guess you should be able to crush the #2 by now or at least get very close if the #1.5 is feeling so easy :D.
I wouldn't say the #1.5 feels easy. I've only done one CCS Close on it, but my best with the #1 is maybe 2 CCS reps back to back, so the #1.5 just doesn't feel that much harder.
HGs are cheap and will do the trick but aren't the most consistent of grippers, when it comes to poundage claims.
A lot of this depends on the set of the spring in the handles, quality of materials and whereabouts the calibration measurements were taken from.
COC are the standard by which all other grippers are ranked, most HG300s being a little over the COC #2.5.
Here's a ranking list, hope this helps:
IM Guide 60 lbs
RB70
IM Sport 80 lbs
HG100
.225 BB Beginner 100 lbs
HG150
.225 COC T 100 lbs
RB130N
RB100
RB160N
RB130
RB180N
.235 BB Advanced 140 lbs
.235 COC #1 140 lbs
HG200
.241 COC 2004 #1 153 lbs
PDA243
.250 COC 2006 #1.5 168 lbs
.250 BB Super Advanced 173 lbs
GM1 cert gripper
RB210N
HG250
RB160
.260 BB Master 195 lbs
.260 COC #2 195 lbs
RB180
RB240N
PDA262
RB260N
.273 COC 2006 #2.5 238 lbs
HG300
.275 BB Super Master 255 lbs
GM2 cert Gripper
RB210
HG400
.281 BB Grand Master 280 lbs
.281 COC #3 280 lbs
.277 RB240
.283 COC 2005 #3 290 lbs
GM3 cert gripper
RB300N
HG350
.277 RB260
.295 spring, 1/4" mount, 2.75 width MMG1 * 306 lbs
.295 spring, 3/16" mount, 2.75 width MMG2 * 315 lbs
.295 BB Elite 320 lbs
.294 COC 2006 #3.5 323 lbs
RB330N
.306 spring, 1/4" mount, 2.75 width MMG3 * 335 lbs
.295 RB300
.306 spring, 3/16” mount, 2.75 width MMG4 * 345 lbs
.306 BB Super Elite 345 lbs
.312 BB Grand Elite 365 lbs
RB330
.312 COC #4 365 lbs
.353 HG500
RB365
.331 BB Pro 430 lbs
.345 BB World Class 470 lbs
.353? BB Galaxy 565 lbs
.362 BB Super Galaxy
.375 BB Grand Galaxy
RBWT
The wire size is in decimal inches, RBWT is an acronym for
Robert Baraban Worlds Toughest @ 720lb:eek:
Good to see you're a gripper Duane!:D
Just thought I'd quote this comprehensive list from Autolupus to give people an idea of the range of grippers and the respective pressures to close.
Considering the RBWT needs 720lbs to close Tim, I don't think I could even budge it if I jumped on it. ;):D
I could close it with my eye lids! :p
Which one do you lot recommend to buy?
I could close it with my eye lids! :p
Which one do you lot recommend to buy?
I'm no expert but I think to start off with getting a Trainer and a #1 is ideal. The Trainer is pretty soft and good for building up strenght and technique while the #1 will provide you with a bit of a challenge, although I'm sure you'll be able to crush that one really quickly as well. However I don't know your strength so maybe you would be better off going with a #1 and a #2.:cool:
If you plan on getting a couple of grippers check out Amazon in the US, even though the shipping was a little higher for me it is pretty much the cheapest place to buy them, $19 each. Plus they arrived within two business days. :)
Linus
I bought the Vice Gripper, it's adjustable from 45lbs up to 360lbs in one gripper.
The Ironmind CoC grippers appear to be 'benchmark' grippers though, so it's up to you.
After resting over the weekend Tim.
I've just managed to close your #2 with both LH & RH.
Now all I have to do is do it on video to show you. :o:rolleyes:
;):D
Edit: PS - Anybody got a CoC #2.5 I can borrow? :)
Edit: Recorded a RH close on Tim's #2 http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/OneEyeUK/?action=view¤t=DSCN0309.flv
LH was too tired, will try LH again later.
Adrena1in
02-07-2007, 14:10
Nice close there, (and nice wink at the end! ;) )
I sometimes struggle to close the #1, but then other times, when rested, the #1.5 feels almost easy. Funny how that happens. But you're closing it with either hand is what surprises me. My left is really weak, and I have only once or twice managed a MMS Close on the #1. Should train it some more really.
When you get hold of a #2.5, send me back the #2 as I might be ready for it soon! :D
Was weird for me today, LH seemed to come up to strength before RH but died fairly quickly.
RH still feels pretty strong.
Autolupus
02-07-2007, 17:03
Nice close!;) :D
Just a pointer on gripper vids, make sure the ends/ident can be seen clearly and try to not let the gripper stray of cam from then till the close, if you can see the idents on the close then all the better!;) :)
Autolupus
02-07-2007, 18:46
To illustrate, here's a two finger #1.5 NS that veers slightly off cam!;)
#1.5 Two Finger NS (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=6AE7D8F628C311DC97F0000423CF381C&type=clip):p
To illustrate, here's a two finger #1.5 NS that veers slightly off cam!;)
#1.5 Two Finger NS (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=6AE7D8F628C311DC97F0000423CF381C&type=clip):p
ok, now that's just a blatant showoff :D;)
Linus
Nice close!;) :D
Just a pointer on gripper vids, make sure the ends/ident can be seen clearly and try to not let the gripper stray of cam from then till the close, if you can see the idents on the close then all the better!;) :)
Doing the best I could with what I had handy at work video-wise.
Realise that my video wouldn't pass muster for an official record of closing a gripper.
;):D
Gonna try for NS/TNS close of Tim's #2 also. :)
Autolupus
02-07-2007, 22:28
Nice solid close though! Really wide set!;) :D
Hey guys, have any of you heard or own a gripmaster?
click me! (http://www.gripmaster.net/gripmaster/) what do you think of it???:confused:
Adrena1in
03-07-2007, 09:55
The Force has some Gripmasters I believe.
The Force has some Gripmasters I believe.
I have a couple of the red ones as well.. find them great!
When I was in the hospital a couple of years ago I was using the (I think) green or yellow ones in physio and found them good but love the red ones.. next on to a couple of black ones ;)
Enda
--
I ordered a couple of these a while back, the fact that you can train each finger separately appealed to me. Unfortunately I haven't received them yet, but will let you guys know how I like them as well if they ever show up.
Enda, if you're into grip training you should definitely get yourself a Captains of Crush Gripper :) really amazing grip workout, and for some strange reason its damn fun as well. A bit like powerballing actually ;)
Linus
Adrena1in
03-07-2007, 13:18
I would like to point out that I don't enjoy CoCing anywhere near as much as I like Powerballing! ;)
EDIT: Ever wondered what a World's Strongest Man could do with a CoC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwn11mM50f4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4GzrW2-ovM (Can't quite see the gripper at the end, but it's a #4 apparently. Closed twice apparently.)
I would like to point out that I don't enjoy CoCing anywhere near as much as I like Powerballing!
well obviously that goes without saying :D lol
btw I received my #1.5 and #2 today, doing those 4 reps on my #1 the other day really killed my forearms so I haven't given them a good squeeze yet but I think its safe to say that I won't be closing a #2 any time soon :) Congrats Oneeye on making it look so easy ;)
Linus
.....EDIT: Ever wondered what a World's Strongest Man could do with a CoC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwn11mM50f4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4GzrW2-ovM (Can't quite see the gripper at the end, but it's a #4 apparently. Closed twice apparently.)
I saw those the other week, Magnus is a beast of a man.
Saw this clip also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCZmt2lOjbY&mode=related&search=
Magnus was a bit younger, but he was still heeeuge, but the guy he's arm wrestling is maH00ssive!!
......I think its safe to say that I won't be closing a #2 any time soon :) Congrats Oneeye on making it look so easy ;)
Linus
Heh, I was making it look a bit more difficult today Linus :o;)
Think I may need to rest from gripping for a day or 2 again, maybe do some Powerballing for a change..... ;):D
Adrena1in
03-07-2007, 21:18
...the guy he's arm wrestling is maH00ssive!!
I remember seeing that when it happened...made me feel quite uneasy. "Megaman" - aka Nathan Jones (http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0428923/) - has gone on to appear in a few top films...playing a big muscular man, generally.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4vgUu6qebj0
think I overdid it a bit with the grippers these last few days, feeling it in my forearm muscles and in the tendons especially. Oh and in my left middle finger for some reason :D, lol.
Taking a break for a few days now to regroup and then i'll have a go at the #1.5 and see how much I can squeeze the #2.
Adrena1in
04-07-2007, 14:15
Oh and in my left middle finger for some reason :D, lol.
My right-hand middle finger is a little tender on the tip-joint...hurts a tiny bit if I bend it back slightly with my thumb. Can only think it's down to using the Grippers, (incorrectly probable).
Autolupus has kindly sent me one of those Gripper-Helpers, (many thanks!), so I'm going to give that a try later. However, I think what he said about them not being worth the money is probably right. From the images I got the impression they were very thin, and acted a bit like a cover over the gripper, but no, they've a rounded profile. No quite sure how it's going to work having them over the gripper, as they're going to make it about 1cm wider. Will see how it goes.
Adrena1in
09-07-2007, 13:55
Autolupus has kindly sent me one of those Gripper-Helpers, (many thanks!)....
Though what on EARTH they were thinking when they made this I'll never know. You were right Autolupus, they're rubbish. I don't know why they couldn't make them with a thin, curved profile, so that they lie close to the gripper handles. I also don't know why they couldn't make them so that they actually fit over the gripper. I actually can't get the helper to sit corrently, let alone while trying to grip the thing, which is damn near impossible. I'm SO glad I didn't waste £15 buying one...give me your address and I'll send it back if you like. :(
Autolupus
09-07-2007, 14:35
That's OK Tim, think of it as a present from me to you!;) :D
For those of you interested here's some clips of my lastest PR, the webcam performs terribly in incandescent light, so you'll have to excuse the picture quality. Left. (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=E2FB98D428DF11DC8390000423CF037A&type=clip) Right. (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=CCD2036828DF11DCA4C8000423CEF5B0&type=clip):D:D :D
That's OK Tim, think of it as a present from me to you!;) :D
For those of you interested here's some clips of my lastest PR, the webcam performs terribly in incandescent light, so you'll have to excuse the picture quality. Left. (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=E2FB98D428DF11DC8390000423CF037A&type=clip) Right. (http://www.jumpcut.com/fullscreen?id=CCD2036828DF11DCA4C8000423CEF5B0&type=clip):D:D :D
wow man you definitely have my respect :D... for what little its worth :p;)
so does that mean that you can close the #3 from a MMS now?
Linus
Adrena1in
10-07-2007, 10:39
Autolupus has been able to close the #3 for a while now, and not just MMS I think. #2.5 TNS is pretty darn impressive. I've progressed okay with the #1, and last night, after having not used it for ages, I did 6 or 7 quite easy reps on it, and then did a couple on the #1.5. But I can't TNS Close the #1 still...I always have to set it a bit. (I think it might be because my hands aren't quite big enough.)
I also don't think the #1.5 is 170lbs. It's marginally harder than the #1, but only by 10lbs maybe I'd guess. Will send it back Hugh, thanks for the loan. :)
Have a question about the CCS though. I was under the impression that this meant having only one hand on the gripper while the handles were still around 3cm apart...i.e. the height of a Credit Card. But does it actually mean the WIDTH of a Credit Card, i.e the handles should be around 1mm apart with only one hand on the gripper before completing the close?
One-Eye, don't suppose you could send my #2 back soon please, I think I could probably mash it now. :)
Autolupus
10-07-2007, 11:26
:D :D I've only had a choked close on the #3, still haven't nailed a proper close yet!:o It's getting closer though and reckon I should have it by the years out!;)
CCS wise, a picture paints a thousand words:
http://www.jumpcut.com/media/dyn/40/280f/283e4c60ec7de911f44a9ecdcb/lq.jpg
No probs Tim, will pack up your #2 for the homeward journey by the end of the week.
Think I may invest in my own #2 and a #2.5, to properly benchmark my progress with the Vice Gripper.
;):D
Adrena1in
10-07-2007, 16:02
CCS wise, a picture paints a thousand words:Thanks, that's what I thought it meant. I don't actually have any credit cards, but will my Switch Maestro card do instead?! ;)
Cheers One-Eye, leave the #2 with me for a bit and if I decide not to keep it I'll sell it ya for a bargain price! ;)
Thanks, that's what I thought it meant. I don't actually have any credit cards, but will my Switch Maestro card do instead?!
didn't you get a Captains of Crush Regulation Sized Training Credit Card with your Grippers? Maybe you only get those if you order direct from Ironmind or through Amazon like I did, hah suckers :p ;)
Linus
....Cheers One-Eye, leave the #2 with me for a bit and if I decide not to keep it I'll sell it ya for a bargain price! ;)
Tim, can you pm me your return address please.
You might find the #2 easier now I've loosened it up for you ;):D
And, yeah, let me know if you want to sell it on after you've had another crack at it. :)
i managed to close the #1 yesterday well happy with that!
i managed to close the #1 yesterday well happy with that!
congrats :D
Linus
Adrena1in
12-07-2007, 15:44
i managed to close the #1 yesterday well happy with that!
Nice! Your #1.5 will be on its way back to you tomorrow...you'll probably be able to close that too soon!! :)
Nice! Your #1.5 will be on its way back to you tomorrow...you'll probably be able to close that too soon!! :)
yes the #1.5 shouldn't be too much of a challenge for you now Hugh, on that note Adrenal1n I agree with you that the #1.5 definitely doesn't feel like its halfway between the #1 and the #2, I can now close the #1 quite easilly with my left hand and tried the #1.5 with it for the first time today. It really doesn't feel much tougher and managed to close it to within 1 or 2 mm on my first attempt. My right arm still isn't 100% so I haven't tried it or the #2 with my right yet.
But then again these grippers do vary quite a bit in strength i've heard so either we have fairly strong #1s or weaker than average #1.5s or my #2 is tougher than average...etc etc,....blah blah blah, just realised that I don't actually care that much really...lol :D Its thougher than the #1 and easier than the #2 so all is well :P...lol
And i'm happy that I can close a #1 with my left now hehe :D
Linus
petemayhew
12-07-2007, 16:51
And i'm happy that I can close a #1 with my left now hehe :D
Linus
Nice one, I'm still working on the weak hand. I TNS the #1 the other day, didn't catch a video though. But when I am feeling I can TNS the #1 again then I'll do a video. Is it me or does it seem to you that your grip strength goes in circles i.e. one day you can mash up a gripper and the next day your struggling. :o
I haven't tried a #1.5 or #2 so if I get a little better at the #1 I may invest into a #1.5 or aren't they much worth the money? :)
Nice one, I'm still working on the weak hand. I TNS the #1 the other day, didn't catch a video though. But when I am feeling I can TNS the #1 again then I'll do a video. Is it me or does it seem to you that your grip strength goes in circles i.e. one day you can mash up a gripper and the next day your struggling. :o
I haven't tried a #1.5 or #2 so if I get a little better at the #1 I may invest into a #1.5 or aren't they much worth the money? :)
I think the 1.5 is definitely worth it because the #2 is a huge jump up from a #1. Also if your anything like me you'll probably end up getting the whole collection anyway so you might as well get the 1.5 next :D
Linus
Did you have a go on your #2 since getting it back yet Tim?
I've not had a go on a #1 or a #1.5, but setting the relative poundages on my Vice Gripper gives an idea of how easy or difficult things are.
I can do 10+ reps @ 141lbs (approx #1) and 5+ reps @ 172lbs (approx #1.5).
The #2 is supposed to be 195lbs, and it felt a hell of a lot harder than 172lbs on the Vice Gripper.
To stand the best chance at closing the #2 I had to really concentrate on getting the 'set' right.
With the dogleg just a milimetre or 2 out of place in my palm I couldn't fully close it.
When it was set right, I could close and overcrush for 5-10secs (never actually timed, so was probably more like 5 secs and just felt like 10 :o).
Adrena1in
13-07-2007, 10:14
Is it me or does it seem to you that your grip strength goes in circles i.e. one day you can mash up a gripper and the next day your struggling. :o
Oh I definitely get that. There are times when I can't close the #1, and other times when I can do 6 or 7 reps, and then a couple of reps on the #1.5. I've not tried a proper TNS with the #1, but I still don't think I could do it. Perhaps if I used some SurGrip to stop it slipping about I could, but my hand's just not big enough.
Thanks for sending the #2 back One-Eye, and of course I tried it when I got home. I could only just about get the handles parallel before, but straight away I got the handle-ends to within about 2mm, and I did that several times over the course of the evening, holding them there for several seconds, but couldn't get the close. (Couldn't even get or hold the handles parallel with my left...need to work on it!) I could only just about close the #1 a couple of times, and probably not even with a CCS either, so I wasn't on form last night anyway. I don't think it'll be long before I can Mash the #2.
Nice one Tim.
Work on getting the set right, and you'll mash it RH no problem.
;):D
Adrena1in
13-07-2007, 13:39
#1.5 on its way back to you Hugh, plus a little "thankyou". Postal Strike today means it'll probably arrive Monday or Tuesday.
cheers adrenalin!
someone said that the grippers help with the metal and i think that is true i find it a lot easier to hold onto now! next challange close the #1 left hand
Adrena1in
13-07-2007, 14:42
...next challange close the #1 left hand
Same here... ;)
EDIT: The #1.5 was definitely not half-way between the #1 and #2. I just did a couple of easy reps on the #1, probably almost CCS, but then can't do anything with the #2. Even if I set the handles parallel, I can't close it a mm further. I could've closed the #1.5.
Same here... ;)
EDIT: The #1.5 was definitely not half-way between the #1 and #2. I just did a couple of easy reps on the #1, probably almost CCS, but then can't do anything with the #2. Even if I set the handles parallel, I can't close it a mm further. I could've closed the #1.5.
yup same here, with a CCS I can just about get the #2 past parrallel with my right but haven't tried this more than twice as I don't want to risk further injury to my right arm. :)
UPDATE!:
Just recorded a few vids of me MMS closing the #1 and #1.5 with my left :D, and TNS closing the Trainer. I can these quite easilly now and the #1 I can CCS most of the time too. but the #2 is still quite far away with my left, can only just get it past parrallel with an MMS.
LH CoC #T TNS
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d6/lhnova/?action=view¤t=476c307c.flv
LH CoC #1 MMS
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d6/lhnova/?action=view¤t=90cd09e6.flv
LH CoC #1.5 MMS
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d6/lhnova/?action=view¤t=f294c610.flv
Going by this quite surprising improvement in my left I think I should be getting close to crushing even the #2 with my right. It did feel quite soft today ;), and I look forward to giving it a proper squeeze in a couple days.
Linus
.....someone said that the grippers help with the metal.....
Think that would be me. ;)
Grip training has certainly helped with metal and also my enduro.
Both feel 'easier'.
And way to go Linus!! ;):D
You got to really work on getting the set right, especially with the #2, to really maximise your grip strength.
And way to go Linus!! ;):D
You got to really work on getting the set right, especially with the #2, to really maximise your grip strength.
thanks, and yup, setting the gripper rjust ight is essential. Still miles away from closing the #2 with my left though, unfortunately not even the best set will help you if you don't have the power behind it :). I'll keep working on it though, want to get that sucker closed. :D
Still resting my right so I haven't tried to crush the #2 with it yet. :rolleyes:
Linus
petemayhew
16-07-2007, 17:46
I had a little go with the grippers when I got back from school.
I managed to CCS the #1 with RH and TNS the #T with LH, I got a RH TNS with the #1 close but not closed.
LH #T TNS
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/SoulSauce_/?action=view¤t=130039e5.flv
RH #1 TNS (attempt)
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/SoulSauce_/?action=view¤t=63fac9d2.flv
RH #1 CCS
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa138/SoulSauce_/?action=view¤t=50107618.flv
:)
com'n pete, you can get that last mm on the TNS #1. ;)
Nice closes overall though, quite explosive :D, although that TNS on the trainer was a little iffy, holding the spring with the other hand doesn't count lol. ;)
btw just had a quick go at table no setting the #1 with my right.
Here's the vid.
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d6/lhnova/?action=view¤t=33f1bd00.flv
Angle coul've been better but you should hear the click as the handles touch :)
Adrena1in
17-07-2007, 13:24
Meant to pop an update in here in that I closed the #1 with my left hand the other night. I had to mash it to get the handles touching, but I was able to open them a fraction and click them closed again a few times. Quite a surprise really, as my left grip is quite weak. As I type this I've just done it again with my left hand, but as soon as I left the handles get more apart than parallel I'm stuffed. :o
Meant to pop an update in here in that I closed the #1 with my left hand the other night. I had to mash it to get the handles touching, but I was able to open them a fraction and click them closed again a few times. Quite a surprise really, as my left grip is quite weak. As I type this I've just done it again with my left hand, but as soon as I left the handles get more apart than parallel I'm stuffed. :o
nice one, my left hand surprised me the other day aswell, but I knew that in terms of powerballing my left allways seems to have a tighter grip on the ball, but I think this is mainly down to my dodgy right thumb.
How's your TNS coming along on the #1?
Linus