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Adrena1in
04-09-2007, 16:29
I know there've been many discussions in the past about the 90s Strength runs using the Edouard Technique, and that's not what this is about...
BUT,
It looks as though, any day now, Akis is no longer going to be in the #1 slot in the 90s Strength League, thanks to Thomas Guicheteau of France and his insanely high scores lately.
Unless Akis has a response? Perhaps he scored 21k and is keeping this quiet until it was needed?! ;)
I dont understand why both techniques are scored the same, surely they should make two separate leagues?
lol sorry i know this is exactly NOT the kind of reply you wanted (im an idiot)
How long has Akis been number 1? I'm relatively new so I dont really know the history. He appears to be the "official" mascot with numerous videos on the homepage, so i'm guessing hes been top for a while.
petemayhew
04-09-2007, 18:01
Unless Akis has a response? Perhaps he scored 21k and is keeping this quiet until it was needed?! ;)
Well I'm sure Akis will pick the ball up again even if the competition is in a different technique. I think Akis will maybe present us with an Ed Tech run (Guessing around 21k) which he has kept quite as it wasn't needed at the time.
dcash10181
04-09-2007, 19:55
:eek:
It certainly does appear that Akis is about to lose is #1 spot in the Strength League very soon. I look forward to seeing his response. :)
Always Powerballing,
Duane Cash
I had my doubts as to whether Ed Tech could get that high as the lower part of the runs always seemed around 12k which meant they were averaging the high end against 12k. But Legs last few runs he gets up to 12k6 which is giving a 20175 potential on 14k5. So I think it's inevitable.
Which brings us back to Tims question, what does Akis have up his sleeve (or indeed are there sleeves that fit those monster powerballing arms??)
Adrena1in
05-09-2007, 08:09
How long has Akis been number 1?
He was the first person to hit 15k back in January 2005, but it was December 2004 when he got the first world record, with 14953.
He's only submitted one Metal score, in February 2006.
His first submission in the Strength League was the 17th of October 2005. (I know this for sure because that's the day I first entred a score, of over 17000, and had I got my entry in quicker I would've been top of the scoreboard! :o ) In two years, still no-one's got close with the Grip Technique.
His first Dual-Hand submission was April 2006.
Apart from his Dual-Hand score in March this year, to increase his leave over Jez, we've not had anything from him for over 13 months. :o
Apart from his Dual-Hand score in March this year, to increase his leave over Jez, we've not had anything from him for over 13 months. :o
If he did have scores hidden away, what reasons could he have for not publishing them? Is he letting people catch up so he can rub salt in the wound by releasing new videos? That doesnt seem logical to me so in my opinion he's going to have a lot of work to do over the next few months :)
Greetings guys and gals!
I hope that all fellow-powerballers enjoyed their summer holidays (I did!) and are now ready for some lively action and productive competition!
I see some activity on the board (nice metal score Tim!), especially Strength league, which raises some matters for discussion. It is true that the "Edouard technique" subject has been already over-discussed (and that's why I hadn't posted my opinion on this; almost everything had been said). But under this occasion, I feel I should clarify my point of view.
Healthy competition has always been fruitful and can be enjoyable by every competitor. I personally enjoy competition and I believe I've proven that. When Jez hit 30k in dual, it worked as a motive for some good competition. Same with Cazes Jonathan lately, who came only a breath away from 1st place in metal league and certainly deserves it (who could argue that?). But the matter with 90s league is different. Forgive me for being blunt, but I can't say I enjoy this kind of competition (and I assume the same for the other "grippers"). When this "Edouard-technique" was initially featured it was clarified that it may damage the ball but it was not prohibited for score submission, obviously in order to avoid muddying the rules and creating confusion. But now almost all the top slots are full of "E" leaving well behind other competitors who have really put some remarkable effort.
(Of course no one should rule out the efforts that are made by Ed-techers as well. Watching Thomas' video (actually listening as I wasn't getting any picture for some reason), it seems that he hit more than ten 14k+ scores consecutively. This is some achievement on its own.)
In my humble opinion, this situation has gotten out of the bounds of fair-play and has ended up to the degradation of Strength board. (And this has nothing to do with my current position on the board; if for example Cazes or Jez or Pako or Duane (or any other competitor) would get 14k with the metal or anyway attain the 1st slot, they would surely deserve it and I would be the first to congratulate them.)
I believe that this technique should be constricted from the official boards, not only because it goes against Powerball "Prime Directive", i.e. "Always keep a firm grip", but for a very simple reason: Its effectiveness is maintained by artificially cancelling out the very essence of Powerballing i.e. the gyroscopic resistance. So the higher scores are not achieved through improvements in strength, ability or endurance but simply because the ball is spun for actually much less than 90 secs thus technically preventing the body from getting tired, while the counted revs during the inactive intervals are normally added to the total score.
This is my point of view anyway. Any thoughts will be most welcome.
Kind regards to all
Akis
Hey Akis,
Welcome back from holidays... I hope you come back stronger to punish these Ed-techers! :D
I agree with you.
That technique is becoming not fair-game, the real purpose of Strength Index is to measure endurance only... if you stop spinning the powerball, and you still get those extra revs, you don't deserve them!
Whether ed-tech damages the powerball is not an important issue for me. Powerballs sooner or later die, depends on the technique of each individual. I should say Ed-techers should not have their powerballs repaired because they are not keeping a firm grip, so they are not taking care of their precious (although some say that this technique is not harmful).
But, as Akis said, that doesn't mean that Ed-techers don't put all their efforts to increase their scores.
One thing is speed, another endurance. One in each category. If you make a mix, that doesn't belong to any category.
But I really admire what these Ed-techer can do. I don't have the ability to make those speed bursts to take benefit.
It's just my opinion.
AKIS, I know you will never send an Ed-tech score, but... Could you try and tell us what kind of score are you able to reach using Ed-tech?
regards,
Pako.
Welcome back from holidays... I hope you come back stronger to punish these Ed-techers! :D
Good to "see" you chap. I hope you returned stronger too; you have some work to do with the metal!
AKIS, I know you will never send an Ed-tech score, but... Could you try and tell us what kind of score are you able to reach using Ed-tech?
Sure, just send your powerballs over here, as mine are not intended for execution! :-)
Ok, maybe I can sacrifice a couple of balls to see what happens. (It's true though that I'd rather be last on the board than have an "E" next to my name!)
Cheers
Akis
Akis! Have you beaten the current world record and have it locked away as a suprise?
:D
As its what is on everyones mind (the entire powerball world)
gigabyte137
10-09-2007, 23:02
Hi Akis, off topic though.... Can you do an Ultimate Challenge and see what you get.... Of course grip style and only 1 hand....
Greetings guys and gals!
I hope that all fellow-powerballers enjoyed their summer holidays (I did!) and are now ready for some lively action and productive competition!
I see some activity on the board (nice metal score Tim!), especially Strength league, which raises some matters for discussion. It is true that the "Edouard technique" subject has been already over-discussed (and that's why I hadn't posted my opinion on this; almost everything had been said). But under this occasion, I feel I should clarify my point of view.
Healthy competition has always been fruitful and can be enjoyable by every competitor. I personally enjoy competition and I believe I've proven that. When Jez hit 30k in dual, it worked as a motive for some good competition. Same with Cazes Jonathan lately, who came only a breath away from 1st place in metal league and certainly deserves it (who could argue that?). But the matter with 90s league is different. Forgive me for being blunt, but I can't say I enjoy this kind of competition (and I assume the same for the other "grippers"). When this "Edouard-technique" was initially featured it was clarified that it may damage the ball but it was not prohibited for score submission, obviously in order to avoid muddying the rules and creating confusion. But now almost all the top slots are full of "E" leaving well behind other competitors who have really put some remarkable effort.
(Of course no one should rule out the efforts that are made by Ed-techers as well. Watching Thomas' video (actually listening as I wasn't getting any picture for some reason), it seems that he hit more than ten 14k+ scores consecutively. This is some achievement on its own.)
In my humble opinion, this situation has gotten out of the bounds of fair-play and has ended up to the degradation of Strength board. (And this has nothing to do with my current position on the board; if for example Cazes or Jez or Pako or Duane (or any other competitor) would get 14k with the metal or anyway attain the 1st slot, they would surely deserve it and I would be the first to congratulate them.)
I believe that this technique should be constricted from the official boards, not only because it goes against Powerball "Prime Directive", i.e. "Always keep a firm grip", but for a very simple reason: Its effectiveness is maintained by artificially cancelling out the very essence of Powerballing i.e. the gyroscopic resistance. So the higher scores are not achieved through improvements in strength, ability or endurance but simply because the ball is spun for actually much less than 90 secs thus technically preventing the body from getting tired, while the counted revs during the inactive intervals are normally added to the total score.
This is my point of view anyway. Any thoughts will be most welcome.
Kind regards to all
Akis
Hear Hear.
I don't poo poo the technique what Leg is doing is amazing but I think that there is enough people doing it now that they deserve there own board.
The way it is now would be like having the metal and plastic speed scores on the same board and only distinguishing between them with a (P) for plastic.
Hear Hear.
...The way it is now would be like having the metal and plastic speed scores on the same board and only distinguishing between them with a (P) for plastic.
That's tough to say, using the (E) is using the same device though. I'm not a fan of using the Ed Tech, but it shouldn't be in its own league.
What would you say if the tour de france held different devisions for those who coast-pedal-coast, and one for those who could pedal all the way?
I guess all I'm saying is that its the same course and its the same powerball, but the difference is in who and how.
Hear Hear.
I don't poo poo the technique what Leg is doing is amazing but I think that there is enough people doing it now that they deserve there own board.
I agree with LTLFTC, a E scoreboard could or maybe would be a good solution to this matter.
Adrena1in
11-09-2007, 08:25
My initial concerns regarding a separate scoreboard were two-fold.
1) There weren't enough people using the Ed-Tech to make it reasonable. There are still only 16 who are confirmed to use this technique. There could be more of course, but video evidence has only ever been required for the top scorers, so that's how the Ed-Techers have identified.
2) About those lower scorers...how many of them use the technique? Are we going to require video evidence for every single submission, so that the person can be correctly categorised? (No point having one scoreboard of confirmed Ed-Techers, and one with a Top 20 or 30 confirmed Grippers, and 70 or 80 others who could be either.)
I guess, if we WERE going to split them, there'd have to be an additional option on the submission form, asking the user which technique they used, explaining them both so that they understand.
Basically though, I'm all for a separate scoreboard. I'm not going to deny that it's still an impressive category, and the scores that some people are producing are incredible, but from my own experience of trying it, it's not comparable to the Gripper technique. Ed-Tech scores should be compared to other Ed-Tech scores, Gripper to Gripper. It would be nice if more of a distinction could be made.
Also, something I've just thought of...there are some people who post their Gripper scores here, and their Ed-Tech scores at Gyrotek.net, (or vice versa), to separate them. I'm sure there are plenty, of Grippers AND Ed-Techers, who would like to be able to submit BOTH types of score here. I would.
Also, something I've just thought of...there are some people who post their Gripper scores here, and their Ed-Tech scores at Gyrotek.net, (or vice versa), to separate them. I'm sure there are plenty, of Grippers AND Ed-Techers, who would like to be able to submit BOTH types of score here. I would.
Exactly them we would see just how dam impressive what Thomas is doing is:eek:
Adrena1in
11-09-2007, 09:59
how dam impressive what Thomas is doing is:eek:
I still think Stephen (Installed)'s 18.8k is more impressive, considering he's not reached 14k speed yet.
petemayhew
11-09-2007, 17:17
A split in the league seems a good idea. As many of the current gripper scorers will feel they can post their scores now as there's a separate league. But this has a negative to being too confusing. Two separate leagues for the same mode will confuse things for the beginners and I for one was confused with the (E) markings alone when I first looked at the board. So I think a good set of scores to start the league (The current Ed-Techers 'will' post their gripper scores so it won't effect the gripper league) off and a clear explanation for what is what and this should work out well I think. :)
Adrena1in
13-09-2007, 09:23
Ok, maybe I can sacrifice a couple of balls to see what happens.Not bad, but I would've thought you could get well over 21k if you honed the technique. (Just watched the video...didn't realise it was one hand only! That's really quite cool! ;) )
Nice Metal record too by the way, I knew you could do it. :eek:
Akis, very impressive Metal score!
What can you do with left hand?
When Cazes, Jez, Duane or me reach 14k, will u break 15k with Metal? :rolleyes:
regards,
Pako.
Adrena1in
13-09-2007, 14:59
Looking at how easily Akis was bursting the Powerball up to 15.5k in his 90s one-handed Ed-Tech run, I see no reason why he can't go higher with the Metal. A LOT higher. :cool:
I'd also like to see a decent one-handed Gripper 30s run from Akis, because his 7253 is way under par for him I think. 7500 shouldn't be a problem. ;)
petemayhew
13-09-2007, 16:49
Looking at how easily Akis was bursting the Powerball up to 15.5k in his 90s one-handed Ed-Tech run...7500 shouldn't be a problem. ;)
He only really did a few solid 15.5K runs at the start of his 90s Ed Tech run and then he dropped to 14.5K. So 7500 is likely to be a challenge I think..as his gripper speed is constant around the 14.5K mark.
But the videos are just wow! :D He's teasing us just using one hand in his Ed Tech!! :o :D:D
Great one handed ed tech score there, but now we can't see his gripper score anymore, so what about that other scoreboard for ed tech?
Well... I think that Akis would never let his Ed-tech score remain on scoreboard.
So I'm pretty sure he will wait a few days and then send a gripper score 21k+
won't you Akis? ;)
regards,
Pako.
They've kept both Akis' gripper and Ed scores on the board, was this updated?
Does anyone know if he finally used his own ball? I thought he said he'd never use his own for Ed Teching...
also...Pete, just curious as to which programme you used to analyze the pitch?
14k Metal!!!? what was it before? 13700?
Now the gripper score is showing too. Is this mean that everybody can submit now two scores to scoreboard?
Hope not, E's shouldnt be on there, I think only Akis should be allowed two scores
Good evening gents,
I decided to put both of Akis' scores up on the scoreboard purely to show the difference between the two techniques and the possible results which can be achieved using both.
We will maintain one Strength scoreboard and will allow both Ed Tech and Grippers to 'co-exist' on the board. Each user (other than Akis as a reference point for other users in establishing the differences between both) will be able to submit one entry.
Regards
Enda
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Installed
13-09-2007, 18:54
I about fell out of my chair upon hearing of your scores, Akis! It's awesome that you're back into powerballing, I'm looking forward to more great stuff from you in the future.
And it seems we're once again into the (E)/(G) debate... Well, I don't have much to say cause I'm pretty much already worn out on this topic. But bottom line; it's not really that big of a deal to me. I don't really mind if its decided to split the scores, but I would prefer to still have my Ed. Tech score acknowledged.
So what do you plan to do with the scoreboard, Tim? Is this "burst"/non "burst" thing just temporary and gonna be removed shortly, or is everyone going to be able to submit both gipper and burst scores eventually?
So what do you plan to do with the scoreboard, Tim? Is this "burst"/non "burst" thing just temporary and gonna be removed shortly, or is everyone going to be able to submit both gipper and burst scores eventually?
Its up to Tim really... We'll chat here about it and will decide over the next day or so.
Regards
Enda
Installed
13-09-2007, 19:19
Ok heres a suggestion for the scoreboard. Have it to where anyone can submit both a gripper and burst technique score. The difference though would be that while both scores would be on the scoreboard, only the higher score would be ranked leaving the lower score to just be placed where it would go normally except with no rank attached. Thus it would prevent one person getting ranked twice and kicking the lower guys off the scoreboard. If this discussion is resolved in a "gripper only" conclusion, then perhaps only the gripper submissions would be ranked but the (E) scores will still be up there. I hope this makes sense. Comments would be appreciated. :)
I don't know about what should be on there, but I think akis' two videos should stay up so it can be pretty clear the distinction between the two techniques for anyone out there wondering :)
petemayhew
13-09-2007, 21:58
My idea is simple, if valued at all - -
Why don't we just have the Strength board and two sub-boards inside of it. (E) and (G). I understand this is a little more maintenance but it's only fair to categorize the different techniques.
Agreed? :rolleyes:
Installed
13-09-2007, 22:13
Agreed? :rolleyes:
No. Read my post :p
petemayhew
13-09-2007, 22:57
only the higher score would be ranked leaving the lower score to just be placed where it would go normally except with no rank attached.
This would be too much like the current scoreboard i think. Ed Tech scores are normally higher so the Ed tech scores will just be ranked over the gripper scores regardless if the other score is shown. Also people wouldn't want to post an Ed Tech score because they don't agree with the technique or they are just not as good at it as others. So even though they beat the scores above on a different technique they still get ranked lower which I don't think is right still. :)
A better idea (Me Thinks) would be to have two separate leagues allowing each technique to be appreciated within others like it. And most importantly ranked correctly and not ranked behind better score with a different technique.
But now almost all the top slots are full of "E" leaving well behind other competitors who have really put some remarkable effort.
This is what would happen with what your saying Stephen. The better scores which are always Ed Tech will be ranked above others.
*This is in no way a post against Edouard's Technique. Just someone expressing their opinion*
Ok heres a suggestion for the scoreboard. Have it to where anyone can submit both a gripper and burst technique score. The difference though would be that while both scores would be on the scoreboard, only the higher score would be ranked leaving the lower score to just be placed where it would go normally except with no rank attached. Thus it would prevent one person getting ranked twice and kicking the lower guys off the scoreboard. If this discussion is resolved in a "gripper only" conclusion, then perhaps only the gripper submissions would be ranked but the (E) scores will still be up there. I hope this makes sense. Comments would be appreciated. :)
Don't agree
My idea is simple, if valued at all - -
Why don't we just have the Strength board and two sub-boards inside of it. (E) and (G). I understand this is a little more maintenance but it's only fair to categorize the different techniques.
Agreed? :rolleyes:
do agree. could you split it to 17k where vid is needed and merge it below ie top 20 or whatever grip and ed then best of the rest??
I like how it still has the gripper score up. I was most upset to see the 20082 gone as awesome as the ed was
Adrena1in
14-09-2007, 14:53
A double-scoreboard would be my preferred method, with all the definitive "(E)" scores on one side and the rest on the other side. What do you think?
(Don't know how feasible this would be though. To be honest I can't see anything changing any time soon...Enda said they're extremely busy at the moment.)
http://www.powerballs.com/tim_bridle/Double_Strength.jpg
I agree with you adrenalin, Two scores for the different techniques will be the best. It's not to much fair mix both in just 1 score... :rolleyes:
Regards
Javier
A double-scoreboard would be my preferred method, with all the definitive "(E)" scores on one side and the rest on the other side. What do you think?
(Don't know how feasible this would be though. To be honest I can't see anything changing any time soon...Enda said they're extremely busy at the moment.)
http://www.powerballs.com/tim_bridle/Double_Strength.jpg
Have your people talk to their people and make it happen:p
Have your people talk to their people and make it happen:p
I'm listening.. ;) :cool:
I'll look at doing something tomorrow on it.. must cut back on that annoying sleep habit! :D
Adrena1in
15-09-2007, 17:05
I'll look at doing something tomorrow on it..
Working on God's day?!? :eek:
I think that if the scoreboard were split, the scores for each table should fill up, because i know i would try harder if i knew i could get into the top 100 using which ever technique i use (grip) and also people will be able to see how they rank against other people with the same technique, so people like Akis and Jeremy who are currently swamped by ed techers can see how far ahead they are of othe grippers etc. thats my view.
Hawky
I'm listening.. ;) :cool:
I'll look at doing something tomorrow on it.. must cut back on that annoying sleep habit! :D
Stop sleeping Enda:p:p
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